Young's handlers aren't handling their business

[Doomsday101]

You're shouting at me, which indicates anger at the suggestion that we might get Young in the draft. Since he's one of the best in the draft, why wouldn't you want him. HMMMMM.

No anger here it was in 3 inch letters as the post said. Why would I not want to trade down to the top 5 for young? because it would cost way too much for a guy who I have serious question about as a passer. Again I watched him play every game so I'm not going by college stats alone where you get to play teams like the Kansas Jayhawks or Baylor Bears. You think stats are misleading in the NFL well they are very misleading in the college ranks. I have seen WR for Young be wideopen without a defender even in the picture and have seen him flat out miss the guy. I have also watched Lienart and I do think he is a lot closer of being ready for the NFL than Young.

 

[joseephuss]

What I don't get is here is Kartr implying that the powers that be in Dallas ran off Carter because he was black and couldn't sell jerseys to all the racist Cowboys fans.

Now we are to believe that these very same people in charge are going to trade up for a BLACK QB in order to SELL JERSEYS.

Someone, anyone, want to explain that logic to me.:bang2:

Logic?

 

[5Stars]

What I don't get is here is Kartr implying that the powers that be in Dallas ran off Carter because he was black and couldn't sell jerseys to all the racist Cowboys fans.

Now we are to believe that these very same people in charge are going to trade up for a BLACK QB in order to SELL JERSEYS.

Someone, anyone, want to explain that logic to me.:bang2:

Where do you see any logic in that? It is what it is, and everyone, including kartr knows what is going on! He's just trying to be sly...it's a reverse kinda thang!

 

[iceberg]

Huh! What are you talking about?:laugh2:

calling someone racist for an otherwise unflattering opinion of someone isn't fair. it's as if NO ONE can critisize "the black man" cause some MORON is going to cry racism. it's like a built in handicap/excuse. it gets old.

 

[Doomsday101]

calling someone racist for an otherwise unflattering opinion of someone isn't fair. it's as if NO ONE can critisize "the black man" cause some MORON is going to cry racism. it's like a built in handicap/excuse. it gets old.

You got that right. I admit I don't like Carter but by the same token I did not like Steve Pullure and when I have made that comment around here I don't see any poster call me a racsist because I felt Pullure was a bad QB. Say something negitive about Carter and kartr some how comes up with race as being the reason.

 

[Qwickdraw]

Those are your words. But you must admit, since there's no logical basis for thinking that, maybe you're hoping he'll be a bust, so that the NFL will only draft 'pocket qbs' and not runners.

And just how many Super Bowl's have "runners" won yet?

VY is not an NFL QB, period. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.

 

[joseephuss]

And just how many Super Bowl's have "runners" won yet?

VY is not an NFL QB, period. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.

But can VY be an NFL QB? That is what teams will question for him and basically any other QB prospect. You are right, no "runners" have won, but he won't be asked to run, he will be asked to QB in the NFL. I like Young's potential to eventually become a great QB. The problem with potential is that there is no guarantee it will be reached. That is part of the gamble that all prospects face. Young is a bigger gamble with a bigger reward if successful and bigger loss if not.

 

[5Stars]

But can VY be an NFL QB? That is what teams will question for him and basically any other QB prospect. You are right, no "runners" have won, but he won't be asked to run, he will be asked to QB in the NFL. I like Young's potential to eventually become a great QB. The problem with potential is that there is no guarantee it will be reached. That is part of the gamble that all prospects face. Young is a bigger gamble with a bigger reward if successful and bigger loss if not.

Steve Young was a runner, and he won a SB, right or wrong?

 

[joseephuss]

Steve Young was a runner, and he won a SB, right or wrong?

He became a complete QB while maintaining his running ability. Same with Staubach. Vince Young will have to do the same thing. I don't see why he can't, but there is no guarantee. That is the chance you take. I think every QB has to become a complete QB to be successful. Some that are just aren't fortunate enough to have athletic abilities like Steve Young, Staubach and Vince Young. Marino became a complete QB and could not run.

 

[AbeBeta]

Steve Young was a runner, and he won a SB, right or wrong?

Steve Young was also an excellent passer. Perhaps the best combination of the two that the league has ever seen.

 

[Doomsday101]

Steve Young was a runner, and he won a SB, right or wrong?

Both, yes he could run but Young like Elway or Staubach or Montana could work their magic from the pocket just as well. If a defense can contain you and make you work from the pocket and you can't make the plays you have no business playing QB

 

[5Stars]

He became a complete QB while maintaining his running ability. Same with Staubach. Vince Young will have to do the same thing. I don't see why he can't, but there is no guarantee. That is the chance you take. I think every QB has to become a complete QB to be successful. Some that are just aren't fortunate enough to have athletic abilities like Steve Young, Staubach and Vince Young. Marino became a complete QB and could not run.

Marino could not run because he was born with his knees backwards. Have you ever seen his chair?

 

[blindzebra]

Steve Young was a runner, and he won a SB, right or wrong?

Young had the fewest rushing attempts, as a starter, in the season he won the SB.

Vick has 404 attempts in 5 years and Young had 722 in 15 seasons.

 

[5Stars]

Young had the fewest rushing attempts, as a starter, in the season he won the SB.

Vick has 404 attempts in 5 years and Young had 722 in 15 seasons.

Interesting! However, your are comparing a quarterback to an over-rater runner...you decide which is which!

 

[Chuck 54]

Young had the fewest rushing attempts, as a starter, in the season he won the SB.

Vick has 404 attempts in 5 years and Young had 722 in 15 seasons.

okay I was just about to give up on this thread as I hadn't seen anything new for the last two pages, but that's an interesting stat.

 

[kartr]

You got that right. I admit I don't like Carter but by the same token I did not like Steve Pullure and when I have made that comment around here I don't see any poster call me a racsist because I felt Pullure was a bad QB. Say something negitive about Carter and kartr some how comes up with race as being the reason.

Carter threw for more touchdowns and fewer ints in half as many games started as Pelleur. Pelleur also had Tony Hill,Doug Cosbie,Tony Dorsett/Herschel as his rb's. He also had Tom Landry as his coach instead of Dave Campo. Pelleur was a bad comparison on your part. Oh, the Cowboys never made the playoffs with Pelleur as the starting qb. So Carter did more with less.

 

[Qwickdraw]

Funny I made a thread a few days with the same similar points related to the same overrated QB...
I was personally attacked
and it was removed.
Apparently more poeple than myself feel the same.
That VY is overrated and will be a waste if drafted high.
And that criticising someone who happens to be black for sucking at football or speaking like a moron, makes you a racist.

Whatever.

Once again Doomsday, u and I r on the same level here.

 

[AbeBeta]

Young had the fewest rushing attempts, as a starter, in the season he won the SB.

Well, for Young that is kinda true. But not by a large margin (like 10 less rushes). Also, that year Young ran for 7 TDs -- his career high. It wasn't so much that he was running less but that he was having his best passing season -- so he forced folks to look pass first.

Any comparison between Young and Vick is silly. Young has a career 96.8 QB rating. Vick has a career 75.8 rating. As a passer, Vick couldn't carry Young's jock. Vick is probably a better running back though.

 

[joseephuss]

Carter threw for more touchdowns and fewer ints in half as many games started as Pelleur. Pelleur also had Tony Hill,Doug Cosbie,Tony Dorsett/Herschel as his rb's. He also had Tom Landry as his coach instead of Dave Campo. Pelleur was a bad comparison on your part. Oh, the Cowboys never made the playoffs with Pelleur as the starting qb. So Carter did more with less.

Carter and Pelluer have something in common. Both had to leave Dallas because of poor attitudes. They both thought they earned the right to be automatic starters, did not have to compete for a job and were threatend by competition.

 

[kartr]

And just how many Super Bowl's have "runners" won yet?

VY is not an NFL QB, period. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.

He's better than Vick and Vick has gotten to the playoffs twice and beaten Farve and Bulger. Elway,Young,Plunkett and Montana were 'runners'.