Dak wasn't that good last night **merged**

[jterrell]

I think his 240 was passing yards, not total yards.

yes, you think this because I specifically stated it, lol. thank you for advising him thusly.

Average NFL offensive drives is 12. Basic math suggests if you are mad about 160 yards passing you could pretty easily multiple by 1.5 and see that is 240 yards on an average offensive evening.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Man.... Dak could throw a single 350 yard / 3 td game, and someone on this board will still have to tear him down "oh it's only one game" or whatever.....
Got your point though, just not sure it was necessary to point out. Lot of factors at work here and he is moving g in right direction. Give him more than a few games

right now he hasn't had one of those for a very long time. when he does we will cross that bridge.... and its not about 350 yards and 3 TDs. its about having a type of player that can get your to the promise land at the most important position on the team. right now. I have zero confidence.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You guys really are sad. The “bad” stats equate to a 95.4 QB rating. In comparison, Blake Bortles had a QB rating of 67.2 against these same Giants.

he could throw for 100 yards and have a 90+ QB rating. will that make you happy?

 

[Bullflop]

Expecting Dak to be special at this juncture is asking more than what is realistic. He's been saddled with WRs and TEs who aren't ready to assume being reliable competitors. Hence, his desire to have Brice Butler available to throw to. His familiarity with the current receiving crew isn't developed sufficiently enough right now to make him comfortable with what he has available. This was bound to happen.

The Dallas FO and the staff likely didn't have their thinking caps on when those decisions were made. Saddling a young QB with a stable of unfamiliar receivers is realistically expecting a bit too much for success to be readily achieved in anything resembling a timely manner. Such decisions cry out for much better judgment, imho. If the FO is going to crow about making the offense "Dak friendly," it would surely seem advisable to do just that.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This isn't fantasy football. The stats don't matter like you are suggesting they do. Dak was doing what he needed to do to defeat the opponent in front of him. I guess you can't see that and think it's not good enough. He is improving.

I am not playing fantasy football, but with this type of performance. we are not making the playoffs nor the superbowl. winning a game against an inferior team..... that's all this was and it was all about the defense..... how many times will we expect this defense to hold a team to 3 points through 3 quarters...the game changes when you have the lead vs. when you have the pressure to perform....

and a little fantasy football stats would be nice.... at least once or twice, which we havent' seen in a long time 10+ games. one or two games is an anamoly, things will change. 10 games is a trend and now a reality.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Haha my love for Dak? See the difference is haters only say negatives, lovers only say positive. I am neither as I point out both the good and the bad, the way someone with a brain and doesn't use bias towards players do. Anything else silly you would like to say or are you done getting schooled.

I am not a hater. I have had plenty of thread and responses and posts defending Dak over the past three years. I stated an obvious regarding last night and everyone wants to use a label..... facts are facts....I state the positive and have in the past. there are real concerns with Dak that his lovers are being blind to.

btw, I opened and school you went to learn schooling....you got long way to go son....err...lover

 

[gmoney112]

Fans love stats but hardly any of them actually understand them.

You don't need to be a statician to know that on a general level, stats other than per drive are relatively worthless if you're actually trying to reach a conclusion or optimization.

Also, total yards thrown by the QB are worth about a pile of ****. Stupid. I imagine people eating ticks off their privates when they say things like this.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Perfect example of a dumb *** attempting to appear smart. 16 completions for 160 yards is 10 yards per carry. Genius

YARDS PER ATTEMP you dumb ***.... read the post or learn about football before attempting and failing in appearing that you know anything about football

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/the-dak-prescott-thread-merged.414844/page-2#post-8438792

and his rating for Carolina game? and the ratings for the past 10 games? and QR is not end all be all for QB evaluation. YPA is a key stat as well. ask any offensive coordinator...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This is common sense man.... no, he isn't going to average 300 yards throwing it 19 times or even 25 times a game, lol.
He is performing within the offense.
He is avoiding turnovers and riding a very good defense.

The key is the running game and the occasional deep shots which provide balance and loosen things up for Zeke.

Last year Drew Brees average 35 pass attempts per game.
That's the kind of numbers a regular 300 yard passer will have.

DAL has no real money invested at WR or TE and no real high picks.
The OFFENSE isn't based upon 300 yard passing days.

can he average 225 yards per game consistently..... can he lead this offense consistently? against Carolina he laid a big egg. against giants he was an average QB, did enough to let the defense take care of things and he didn't mess anything up. basically he was a bus driver...but the last 6-8 games of last year.... he wasn't any good....its about 10 games where he has been average to below average and has been a burden to the offense.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

7 rushes, 45 yards. That's over half what Zeke got. That's about a third off our run total for the game. That's big. You've got to tally up Dak's running game to decide how well he played, and add how just the *threat* of him running opens up the run game for Zeke.

His footwork was better this game. He's not a basket case. It's a process.

After every pass play, the first thing that should come on in his helmet mic is a tone grading his footwork. He'll internalize that grading soon enough.

For the most part, he was right on target. The only misses that stand out to me were on Rico.

I don't want a wish bone QB, rushing the ball and needing him to rush the ball to be successful. first and foremost a QB needs the ability to pass from the pocket....running, options, etc. are gravy not the meat

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This is the craziest post in this thread. The qb is paid to win games anyway they can. That old mentality that a running qb should play wishbone is foolish.

you sounded like only QB cares to win and his job is to win. my point was that every players job is to win. and that a running QB won't have much success in the league unless, unless they can effectively throw from the pocket. Vince Young, RGIII and a few others like them, with awesome running ability and no ability to play from the pocket doomed them. yet QBs with feet of stone like Brady, luck, aikman, etc. find success in the league because they can make the throws from the pocket..... you don't need a running QB to be successful...that's gravy

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This is the problem with thinking that stats are more important then results.

If you looked at the 2 QBs stats you would think Eli had the better night, but reality is Dak was far superior in the game.

reality is that the dallas defense was far superior...also a lot of Manning's stats came in the last half of 4th quarter against prevent defense.....until then he was sacked 6 times and had 0 TDs....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

In 2016, he was not playing a conventional style of play for a QB. This style of play is simply not sustainable in the NFL. Yes, he's a big kid, but running RPOs all the time is a recipe to getting hurt. It's also not consistent, as the Panthers have found out with Cam Newton. I honestly think that Garrett and Linehan were trying to introduce Dak to pocket concepts in week one and he simply wet the bed.

If Dak can eventually grasp being more of a pocket passer like Russell Wilson has been developing into, then sign me up. If he's going to be a poor man's Cam, I don't want any part of it long term.

that's exactly what happened to RGIII. first year he caught everyone by surprise. then he got hurt a lot and defenses figured out he can't throw from the pocket....

 

[Dre11]

you sounded like only QB cares to win and his job is to win. my point was that every players job is to win. and that a running QB won't have much success in the league unless, unless they can effectively throw from the pocket. Vince Young, RGIII and a few others like them, with awesome running ability and no ability to play from the pocket doomed them. yet QBs with feet of stone like Brady, luck, aikman, etc. find success in the league because they can make the throws from the pocket..... you don't need a running QB to be successful...that's gravy

You made the comment that a qb is paid to throw, that is a dumb * statement, Qb's are paid(along with all players) to win by any means, if running is that means so be it. FYI, RG3 soured in Washington because he refused to run. In fact he walked into Shanahan office and told him he wasn't running the 50 series of players which included the read options. Nobody said you need a running qb to win, it's a huge asset. Kap,Mcnabb,McNair, all took teams to the Super Bowl. Neither were great passers

 

[Dre11]

that's exactly what happened to RGIII. first year he caught everyone by surprise. then he got hurt a lot and defenses figured out he can't throw from the pocket....

No it isn't, his Ego got him in trouble. You need to your facts straight. I live here in D.C. and that's all they talked about.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

14 for 23
87 yards
3.8 ypa

That was Dak's stat line after the bomb to Austin in that Giants game.

I don't care how anyone slices it, that's not very good. He has to be much better/more effective than that going forward.

that's my point. he made one play and then the defense did the rest....to say giants offense is inept at this point is an understatement. this performance won't get it done against most team we will play on the schedule..Atlanta, NO, Tampa, Rams, Philly,

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How do you feel about his comparison to Bortles against a common defense?

While he was not great the rest of the game, he was instrumental in the 2nd TD drive. The offence scored of 50% of drives, albeit 2 were FGs. 1 drive was derailed by penalties that were not the QBs fault.

everyone keeps talking about bortles as if he is the new measuring stick for QBs in the league. Bortles is not that good.

 

[percyhoward]

and his rating for Carolina game?

(see thread title)

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

And over the last 15 games he didn't have Zeke 6 times. With no Zeke the defenses can pass rush most plays, and it's not like Dak has a proven 1,000 yard receiver available every game. He has limited opportunity for the long throws.

If all you care about is throwing for 300 yards a game, you need to become a Saints or such fan, they do that a lot.

The Cowboys are set up to be a running team, Dak will never be a 5,000 yard passer, any more than Aikman was, mainly because he doesn't have to if the running game and defense is working. I don't care if he only throws for 100 yards if they win...

he had zeke the past two games and last 3 games of last year.....