People who's the better receiver of D. Jarrett, D. Bowe, T. Ginn, and Robert Meachem?

[Bizwah]

Galloway, Coles and Moss all come to mind. But yeah his size is disconcerting.

Let's not forget that Galloway and Coles both weigh in the neighborhood of 190-195 pounds. If you look at their body build, they're both very thick. Galloway especially is built. Moss weighs around 185 pounds, and he's pretty thick too.

Ginn is 170-175 pounds soaking wet. He has a thin frame. Now, I think he can probably add about 10-15 pounds without sacrificing speed and quickness, but he's nowhere near the frame of the guys you mentioned.

 

[Chuck 54]

because the other wide outs at USC sucked.

Hello?

Try Mike Williams, who despite his pro career was all world at USC when Jarrett was playing as a freshman. Try Keary Colbert who was drafted in the 2nd round by the Panthers. Try the fact that Smith will either be a 1st or 2nd round draft pick this year.

You can question Jarrett's speed or projection to the NFL all you want, but to suggest his numbers in college don't stand up because his fellow WR's sucked is simply uninformed and ridiculous.

Personally, I think Jarrett will be an impact player in the NFL....There are plenty of stars at WR who don't run a faster 40 time or who run slower on the field in pads. A big part of being successful in the NFL is running good patterns, reading the defense, and making the difficult catches...I'll put Jarrett with anyone in those areas.

 

[Teague31]

How exactly do you work on speed?

You don't care about his 40 times? Find me another all pro wr in the NFL with 4.6 speed. He's a possesion reciever pure and simple. You want to spend a 1st round pick on a possesion reciever? No thanks, I'll pass.

Jarrett was a good reciever on a GREAT team. USC's qb had 5 seconds to throw the ball everytime he dropped back. Of course Jarret can get open in 5 seconds against pac 10 teams. They can't even spell Defense out there.

In the NFL he'll get 2-3 seconds an the qb has to get rid of the ball. How much seperation do you think he can get in 2 seconds in the NFL?????

Jarrett is a bust waiting to happen. Someone get him a bus ticket with a seat next to Mike WIlliams.

I can't believe the posters on here that buy into the Jarrett hype.

jarrett is sinking faster than the titanic.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Galloway, Coles and Moss all come to mind. But yeah his size is disconcerting.

The lightest of those mentioned is Moss who weighs 190 pounds

 

[RealCowboyfan]

1. Dwayne Jarrett
2. Robert Meachem
3. Dwayne Bowe
4. Tedd Ginn

 

[AsthmaField]

I'd stll rather see a CB or a "tweener" selected in the first round. Take Ginn's teammate in the 2nd round.

That is exactly what I was saying in my earlier post in this thread. I'd prefer to see CB or an outside speed rusher taken in round 1. I also wouldn't mind seeing us take Nelson at FS because I think he's going to be special there. Even a guard, although that isn't neccessarily a need for us, would be okay if we get someone who is highly ranked and one of the best coming out.

I see CB, Nelson at FS, pass rusher, or possibly someone like Grubbs or Blaylock. Grubbs or Blaylock because I think both will be very good guards in the NFL and while I don't see it as a particularly bad need for us... Grubbs and or Blaylock just might be the best available player at #22.

In other words, while Bowe might be the the third, fourth or fifth best WR in this draft (depending on how you rank them), I think Grubbs is the best guard in the whole draft, with Blaylock right behind him. Bowe or Meachem have a better chance of busting that either Grubbs or Blaylock, IMO and frankly, I'd rather see us go that direction in the first, even though we're okay at G. Someone like Grubbs or Blaylock should be more dominant along the OL than Kosier ever will be. Even though we're okay with Kosier... our OL would be more dominant and deeper with Grubbs/Blaylock at LG and Kosier backing him up.

Were using a first rounder on a player that we know will upgrade the team and the likelyhood of him busting is very small in comparison to what first round WR's usually end up. Yes, the best guards are usually taken later than the best WR's... but they typically pan out. Steinbach and Hutchinson were both the best guards taken in their respective draft classes (they were taken late first/early second) and I'd rather have them than whoever was the fourth or fifth best WR's taken that year. Put it this way: The best WR in their class usually go top ten... the best Guards usually go in the twenties or on into the second round. Sitting in the 20's, I'd rather have the best guard than the 4th best WR.

Then, to help strengthen WR... get someone like Smith or Gonzales in round 2 and I'd be happy. Either one could turn out to be a very good #2 option in the pros, and it's more likely to happen than Bowe or Meachem becoming a very good #1, IMO. Both have very good hands, run great routes and have good enough speed. While I don't see a lot of superstar qualities in them... I see very little downside as well.

I'd rather have a great guard like Steinbach late in the first and a very solid WR like Reggie Wayne or Darrell Jackson in the second. The odds just seem better to me than trying to get the superstar WR in round 1 and hoping to hit on a corner or rusher in round 2.

I will say though that I think there will be some really good edge rushers available to us in the second as well, so I wouldn't mind going defensive secondary in the first and edge rusher in round 2.

I still think the best players sitting there might be Blaylock and Grubbs though.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

That is exactly what I was saying in my earlier post in this thread. I'd prefer to see CB or an outside speed rusher taken in round 1. I also wouldn't mind seeing us take Nelson at FS because I think he's going to be special there. Even a guard, although that isn't neccessarily a need for us, would be okay if we get someone who is highly ranked and one of the best coming out.

I see CB, Nelson at FS, pass rusher, or possibly someone like Grubbs or Blaylock. Grubbs or Blaylock because I think both will be very good guards in the NFL and while I don't see it as a particularly bad need for us... Grubbs and or Blaylock just might be the best available player at #22.

In other words, while Bowe might be the the third, fourth or fifth best WR in this draft (depending on how you rank them), I think Grubbs is the best guard in the whole draft, with Blaylock right behind him. Bowe or Meachem have a better chance of busting that either Grubbs or Blaylock, IMO and frankly, I'd rather see us go that direction in the first, even though we're okay at G. Someone like Grubbs or Blaylock should be more dominant along the OL than Kosier ever will be. Even though we're okay with Kosier... our OL would be more dominant and deeper with Grubbs/Blaylock at LG and Kosier backing him up.

Were using a first rounder on a player that we know will upgrade the team and the likelyhood of him busting is very small in comparison to what first round WR's usually end up. Yes, the best guards are usually taken later than the best WR's... but they typically pan out. Steinbach and Hutchinson were both the best guards taken in their respective draft classes (they were taken late first/early second) and I'd rather have them than whoever was the fourth or fifth best WR's taken that year. Put it this way: The best WR in their class usually go top ten... the best Guards usually go in the twenties or on into the second round. Sitting in the 20's, I'd rather have the best guard than the 4th best WR.

Then, to help strengthen WR... get someone like Smith or Gonzales in round 2 and I'd be happy. Either one could turn out to be a very good #2 option in the pros, and it's more likely to happen than Bowe or Meachem becoming a very good #1, IMO. Both have very good hands, run great routes and have good enough speed. While I don't see a lot of superstar qualities in them... I see very little downside as well.

I'd rather have a great guard like Steinbach late in the first and a very solid WR like Reggie Wayne or Darrell Jackson in the second. The odds just seem better to me than trying to get the superstar WR in round 1 and hoping to hit on a corner or rusher in round 2.

I will say though that I think there will be some really good edge rushers available to us in the second as well, so I wouldn't mind going defensive secondary in the first and edge rusher in round 2.

I still think the best players sitting there might be Blaylock and Grubbs though.

I agree with all that.

If we had to wait until the 3rd round to pick up a WR... so be it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hello?

Try Mike Williams, who despite his pro career was all world at USC when Jarrett was playing as a freshman. Try Keary Colbert who was drafted in the 2nd round by the Panthers. Try the fact that Smith will either be a 1st or 2nd round draft pick this year.

You can question Jarrett's speed or projection to the NFL all you want, but to suggest his numbers in college don't stand up because his fellow WR's sucked is simply uninformed and ridiculous.

Personally, I think Jarrett will be an impact player in the NFL....There are plenty of stars at WR who don't run a faster 40 time or who run slower on the field in pads. A big part of being successful in the NFL is running good patterns, reading the defense, and making the difficult catches...I'll put Jarrett with anyone in those areas.

why is it ludicrous to discount the fact that similar WRs from USC have failed to translate to the NFL? sure its not a guarantee but you combine that with him being uncoachable and lazy as well as slow and all of a sudden those colelge stats dont look quite so rosy.

fact is that half of first round WR bust and this guy has more warts than any other of the first round prospects.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Let's not forget that Galloway and Coles both weigh in the neighborhood of 190-195 pounds. If you look at their body build, they're both very thick. Galloway especially is built. Moss weighs around 185 pounds, and he's pretty thick too.

Ginn is 170-175 pounds soaking wet. He has a thin frame. Now, I think he can probably add about 10-15 pounds without sacrificing speed and quickness, but he's nowhere near the frame of the guys you mentioned.

what size were those guys came into the league? Im not saying that his size isnt a concern. of course it is but if he can add size and retain the speed it becomes kind of moot.

i pretty much leave it up to ireland and comapany to determine whether the risk is too much on this guy. hes got production, speed and good character. He just needs size and to work on his routes.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I would have to say Ginn.

He is a player whenever he touches the ball (similiar to Reggie Bush), he takes my breathe away until he is tackled.

I would love to have a talent like this on our Cowboys who can put fear into the other team and take up practice time game planning how to stop one player on Sunday's.

Oh, and did I mention how Ginn can improve our Punt and KR teams?

I realize he could run better routes, however, I feel he is young and this will come around with experience. When it does, LOOK OUT NFL!

 

[Doomsday101]

I think each are good at what they bring to the table they each have their strengths and weakness. If I had my pick I would go with Meacham but I would be happy with any of these guys as our draft pick

 

[jay cee]

That is exactly what I was saying in my earlier post in this thread. I'd prefer to see CB or an outside speed rusher taken in round 1. I also wouldn't mind seeing us take Nelson at FS because I think he's going to be special there. Even a guard, although that isn't neccessarily a need for us, would be okay if we get someone who is highly ranked and one of the best coming out.

I see CB, Nelson at FS, pass rusher, or possibly someone like Grubbs or Blaylock. Grubbs or Blaylock because I think both will be very good guards in the NFL and while I don't see it as a particularly bad need for us... Grubbs and or Blaylock just might be the best available player at #22.

In other words, while Bowe might be the the third, fourth or fifth best WR in this draft (depending on how you rank them), I think Grubbs is the best guard in the whole draft, with Blaylock right behind him. Bowe or Meachem have a better chance of busting that either Grubbs or Blaylock, IMO and frankly, I'd rather see us go that direction in the first, even though we're okay at G. Someone like Grubbs or Blaylock should be more dominant along the OL than Kosier ever will be. Even though we're okay with Kosier... our OL would be more dominant and deeper with Grubbs/Blaylock at LG and Kosier backing him up.

Were using a first rounder on a player that we know will upgrade the team and the likelyhood of him busting is very small in comparison to what first round WR's usually end up. Yes, the best guards are usually taken later than the best WR's... but they typically pan out. Steinbach and Hutchinson were both the best guards taken in their respective draft classes (they were taken late first/early second) and I'd rather have them than whoever was the fourth or fifth best WR's taken that year. Put it this way: The best WR in their class usually go top ten... the best Guards usually go in the twenties or on into the second round. Sitting in the 20's, I'd rather have the best guard than the 4th best WR.

Then, to help strengthen WR... get someone like Smith or Gonzales in round 2 and I'd be happy. Either one could turn out to be a very good #2 option in the pros, and it's more likely to happen than Bowe or Meachem becoming a very good #1, IMO. Both have very good hands, run great routes and have good enough speed. While I don't see a lot of superstar qualities in them... I see very little downside as well.

I'd rather have a great guard like Steinbach late in the first and a very solid WR like Reggie Wayne or Darrell Jackson in the second. The odds just seem better to me than trying to get the superstar WR in round 1 and hoping to hit on a corner or rusher in round 2.

I will say though that I think there will be some really good edge rushers available to us in the second as well, so I wouldn't mind going defensive secondary in the first and edge rusher in round 2.

I still think the best players sitting there might be Blaylock and Grubbs though.

I really like your thinking. Great points.

 

[Skip]

Per Rick Gosselin........

1. Calvin Johnson Georgia Tech 6-5 239
2. Ted Ginn Jr. Ohio State 5-11 178
3. Robert Meachem Tennessee 6-1 214
4. Dwayne Bowe LSU 6-2 221
5. Dwayne Jarrett USC 6-4 219
6. Anthony Gonzalez Ohio State 6-0 193
7. Craig Davis LSU 6-1 207
8. Steve Smith USC 5-11½ 197
9. Sidney Rice South Carolina 6-3½ 200
10. Jason Hill Washington State 6-0½ 204

Which one would fit the best in our system? Ask Jeff Ireland and company.

Well for me I like all the top 5 listed here, but Ginn Jr. would make me a little nervous because he seem more frail that the others so I would take any of the top 4 big guys here leaving Ginn Jr. Out. Maybe I will regret not wanting him, but I think there are several really big & good WR's and would love seeing any of them. Calvin Johnson will be long gone before our Cowboys get a shot at him, but if he some way was there I would take him in a heart beat.
Either Meachem & Jarrett also looks like guys we would end up liking as a Cowboy. So that is at least 3 big WR's that I would be happy seeing in Cowboy Uniform next year. Actually with the age of our WR's the need is truly there and after all injuries are also a problem that age makes worse.

Looking forward to the draft!!! One of my more favorite times of the year is the draft and then looking at our new Cowboys deciding how much we like them even before they are on the field at practice, LOL!

The only problem with this time of year is the fishing is also a great time in the spring and fishing is right at the top of my list as things I like to do.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

To be honest, I really like Rice and Hill later in the draft. Both of those guys, IMO, are talented enough to make it in the NFL with the proper coaching and development.

 

[tm1119]

the only WR I would go after in the 1st is Meachem. Other than that every other WR has flaws that make that player a huge risk.

Ginn- Small, poor route runner, would you really spend a 1st for Dante Hall?
Bowe- Drops, only average speed and quickness, only had 1 really productive season, and was that season just a product of Jamarcus Russell?
Jarrett- SLOW, struggles to get any seperation at all, very comparable to Keyshawn when Keyshawn was here.

 

[Concord]

Ginn is a playmaker...gamebreaker...gamechanger...and the Cowboys could sure use that.

Whether it's catching the ball...returning kicks or punts or taking the ball on a reverse, every time he touches the ball he's a threat to take it all the way.

If he runs the way he should April 12th...He'll never be there at 22 anyway.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Ginn is a playmaker...gamebreaker...gamechanger...and the Cowboys could sure use that.

Whether it's catching the ball...returning kicks or punts or taking the ball on a reverse, every time he touches the ball he's a threat to take it all the way.

If he runs the way he should April 12th...He'll never be there at 22 anyway.

You must really be a Ginn fan.

 

[Concord]

You must really be a Ginn fan.

Nope can't stand him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ginn is a playmaker...gamebreaker...gamechanger...and the Cowboys could sure use that.

Whether it's catching the ball...returning kicks or punts or taking the ball on a reverse, every time he touches the ball he's a threat to take it all the way.

If he runs the way he should April 12th...He'll never be there at 22 anyway.

Unfortunately that sounds an awful lot like what weve heard Julius is.

 

[the kid 05]

How exactly do you work on speed?

at my school we put weights on, like on our ankles, we had weight jackets. but we also did ALOT of sprints. Pulling tires works or the parachute tactic works as well. i went from having a 5.6 speed down to a 4.8 speed in one summer. (that was after my 2nd knee surgery)