People who's the better receiver of D. Jarrett, D. Bowe, T. Ginn, and Robert Meachem?

[Chuck 54]

why is it ludicrous to discount the fact that similar WRs from USC have failed to translate to the NFL? sure its not a guarantee but you combine that with him being uncoachable and lazy as well as slow and all of a sudden those colelge stats dont look quite so rosy.

fact is that half of first round WR bust and this guy has more warts than any other of the first round prospects.

your response has nothing to do with my post....I was responding to the post which was trying to say that Jarrett may have had better stats than Meacham because he played with WR's at USC who sucked...that is the ridiculous statement that caused me to mention 3 WR's Jarrett played with who went in rounds 1 and 2 over the past few years.

You can look at anyone and say they may not make it in the NFL, and I don't have a problem with anyone saying Jarrett may not make it, but it is totally foolish to try and discount him as a great college player...he was definitely one of the best at his position, though that doesn't always mean he'll be great in the NFL as we've seen at many positions.

As a huge fan of USC, I'll also call BS on your fabricated idea that he wasn't coachable...no way can you defend that tidbit. He was playing and having an impact as a freshman...he's known for running great routes and reading defenses...this year when USC struggled but won through the first 4-5 games, his position coach called him out and said he needed to play more physically and that as the star of the team he couldn't let a CB press him and take him out....he went on to post the best numbers of anyone over the rest of the season, coming up huge again and again all the way through his destruction of Michigan.

Slow? Maybe, though many will say being slow in the 40 doesn't necessarily mean you're slow.
Lazy? I don't really know though I never heard that said of him once in 3 years, and I've been a lifelong USC fan.
Overrated for the NFL? I don't agree, but I can see anyone being able to back that one up with a decent argument.

Will he flop in the NFL? Maybe...who knows? Maybe Meacham will continue to be afraid of contact and afraid to go over the middle or get involved in blocking, which are the published concerns about his game. Maybe Ginn will never learn the position or become a starter. Maybe Bowe is just a big guy who's average at best....no one knows for sure about any of these guys, and even as a homer, I accept any criticism of Jarrett as it translates to the NFL.

But I watched him week in and week out for 3 years and followed his stats closely...no one can question his college career or his impact.

 

[Concord]

Unfortunately that sounds an awful lot like what weve heard Julius is.

Julius couldn't even be called a playmaker...Gamebreaker at RB.

And he's never been one catching the ball...let alone Returning Kickoffs or Punts.

Jones was never as well regarded coming out of College as Ginn is...not even close.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

your response has nothing to do with my post....I was responding to the post which was trying to say that Jarrett may have had better stats than Meacham because he played with WR's at USC who sucked...that is the ridiculous statement that caused me to mention 3 WR's Jarrett played with who went in rounds 1 and 2 over the past few years.

You can look at anyone and say they may not make it in the NFL, and I don't have a problem with anyone saying Jarrett may not make it, but it is totally foolish to try and discount him as a great college player...he was definitely one of the best at his position, though that doesn't always mean he'll be great in the NFL as we've seen at many positions.

As a huge fan of USC, I'll also call BS on your fabricated idea that he wasn't coachable...no way can you defend that tidbit. He was playing and having an impact as a freshman...he's known for running great routes and reading defenses...this year when USC struggled but won through the first 4-5 games, his position coach called him out and said he needed to play more physically and that as the star of the team he couldn't let a CB press him and take him out....he went on to post the best numbers of anyone over the rest of the season, coming up huge again and again all the way through his destruction of Michigan.

Slow? Maybe, though many will say being slow in the 40 doesn't necessarily mean you're slow.
Lazy? I don't really know though I never heard that said of him once in 3 years, and I've been a lifelong USC fan.
Overrated for the NFL? I don't agree, but I can see anyone being able to back that one up with a decent argument.

Will he flop in the NFL? Maybe...who knows? Maybe Meacham will continue to be afraid of contact and afraid to go over the middle or get involved in blocking, which are the published concerns about his game. Maybe Ginn will never learn the position or become a starter. Maybe Bowe is just a big guy who's average at best....no one knows for sure about any of these guys, and even as a homer, I accept any criticism of Jarrett as it translates to the NFL.

But I watched him week in and week out for 3 years and followed his stats closely...no one can question his college career or his impact.

I never said that you should discount his production but the fact of the matter is that Mike Williams was a similar reciever playing in the exact same system as did Jarrett. Mike Williams defines the word bust. So many of you USC homers parrot that Jarrett is not Williams however Jarrett very much so is like Williams. Both were out of this world in college.

As for the speed there is no question. He ran the 7th worst time of all WRs in this draft. That is out of over 50 guys. His shuttle times were alos awful. 40 times are importatnt for WR and CB, regardless of the latest hyperbole. DB are not going ot have to give near as much cushion and will have an easier time making up for his cuts.

As for uncoachable. He was surly at the senior bowl practices and interviews. You would think he would attempt to not be a jerk for something that could decide the rest of his life. You give no specific examples of his relations with coaches at USC you just go on about his production. Oh wait a coach had to call him out publicly to motivate him thats good.

As fo lazy. He didnt take the combine or senior bowl practices seriously. Despite what the yahoos say. You can be taught body lean, hand movement and other techniques to maximize speed. Many people put most of their effort in running up than they do forward. Running up at its most extreme is what you do when you run in place. Now if he did actually attempt to improve his time then that means hes a natural 4.7 or 4.8 guy and that is just awful or that he doesnt take things that should be very important seriously. Either way its very very bad. I dont want a Michael Westbrook on our team.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Julius couldn't even be called a playmaker...Gamebreaker at RB.

And he's never been one catching the ball...let alone Returning Kickoffs or Punts.

Jones was never as well regarded coming out of College as Ginn is...not even close.

We always hear that Jones could take it all the way.

I actually like Ginns potential especially if ur training staff thinks he can put on 10-15 lbs and maintain his speed. That being said you sound like the announcers talking about jones.

 

[conner01]

Bowe > Meachem >>>> Ginn >>>>>>>>>> Jarrett

Statistically speaking I have Meachem ranked slightly ahead of Bowe, but I just like Bowe's aggressive nature, his ability to go over the middle and to block downfield. A guy that's willing to do those things that aren't represented in the stat lines deserves the edge in my opinion.

i have to agree with all

 

[Concord]

We always hear that Jones could take it all the way.

I actually like Ginns potential especially if ur training staff thinks he can put on 10-15 lbs and maintain his speed. That being said you sound like the announcers talking about jones.

You always hear it about Jones...But he doesn't do it that often.

Certainly not enough to be called a playmaker. I call it as I see it...obviously the announcers see the same thing.

If Ginn could put on 10-15 and not lose any speed that would be awesome.

 

[theogt]

You always hear it about Jones...But he doesn't do it that often.

Certainly not enough to be called a playmaker. I call it as I see it...obviously the announcers see the same thing.

If Ginn could put on 10-15 and not lose any speed that would be awesome.

Don't you know that if something is said often enough it becomes true?

 

[Concord]

Don't you know that if something is said often enough it becomes true?

To the uninformed.

 

[Tristan]

I would love a Brian Westbrook on our team. Maybe it's because I've seen him slicing through our secondary like swiss cheese for years.

As for Jarrett and the BMW comparisons, Bottom line...
They are different people, different minds, different bodies, different souls, different football players, PERIOD! You cannot judge a players prospectus based on what another person has done or is.

As for Mike Williams, I still can't understand what his problem is, it's not his speed IMO. Many have excelled with sub par speed. Year off? Detroit? Clarettitous? If he continues to dissapoint, you have to say Detroit has the worst luck in the world.

Charles Rogers had Calvin Johnson type measurables/Ability, obviously there is something going on with these guys that has nothing to do with speed, and nothing to do with Dwayne Jarrett!

Even their body types are completely different, BMW is a very thick, bulky man, he was never very agile, or quick, nor does he have much hops, he simply outmuscled DB's.

Jarrett is long and lean, more of a basketball players body, very fluid, agile and has great suddenness or "quick twich" body controll. His greates asset IMO is his ability to jump through the roof and pluck the ball with his huge,clutch, superglue mitts.

Jarrett will determine his own destiny, regardless of what some guy, somewhere else is doing.

 

[Tristan]

Hutchison was a top ten pick, in fact It might have been our pick.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Bowe > Meachem >>>> Ginn >>>>>>>>>> Jarrett

Statistically speaking I have Meachem ranked slightly ahead of Bowe, but I just like Bowe's aggressive nature, his ability to go over the middle and to block downfield. A guy that's willing to do those things that aren't represented in the stat lines deserves the edge in my opinion.

I'm with you here. Thats the way I view them too.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

People let's remember Mike Williams took a year off from playing football. Just imagine if he would've stayed in college for another year.

 

[theogt]

Charles Rogers had Calvin Johnson type measurables/Ability, obviously there is something going on with these guys that has nothing to do with speed, and nothing to do with Dwayne Jarrett!

I don't think Rogers ran drills at the Combine or at his Pro Day, so we don't really know what his numbers were. From a body structure standpoint, they're really nothing alike (Rogers and Johnson). I don't know what Rogers' problem is, but I think it's a stretch to put him in the Calvin Johnson category regarding physical ability. Johnson's a true "freak."

 

[Tristan]

Rogers was the second overall pick, to say the least he was considerd a freak. I remember him at Mich. State, he was at least as dominating as C.J.

I agree they are very different in style, but Rogers was considered a "cant miss" guy, who had everything you could ever want in a WR. He was the superman of that draft.

 

[doomsday81]

This is just my opinion but I break down film of over 200 players and three other people in my department do the same. We watch the film individually and then compare notes. All four of us agreed that Meachem was one of the three most overated prospects in this draft, along with Marcus McCauley and Tim Shaw. Out of roughly 200 players, those were the only three we all agreed 100 percent on as being vastly overrated. Last year we had two players that fell into that category: Darnell Bing and Chad Jackson.

We just think after breaking down film of Meachem you see an average football player. He got caught from behind on 9 occassions when he had at least a 10-yard lead on the defensive back. That's not good for a guy known as a "speed' receiver. His timed speed doesn't translate to the field. He also catches the ball with his body. He rarely plucks the ball out of the air with his hands and doesn't break many tackles after contact. We have him graded as a late-second round prospect. The guy we really like is Jason Hill out of Washington State. He's probably the most underrated players in the draft and a much better overall receiver than Meachem in our opinion.

 

[theogt]

Rogers was the second overall pick, to say the least he was considerd a freak. I remember him at Mich. State, he was at least as dominating as C.J.

I agree they are very different in style, but Rogers was considered a "cant miss" guy, who had everything you could ever want in a WR. He was the superman of that draft.

True, but before the off-season Jarrett was considered a "cant miss" guy. The reality is that measurables do matter. Calvin Johnson is considered a freak because of his measurables. His college production was pretty good, but it doesn't exactly standout above the rest like say Larry Fitzgerald's. Yes, he had Reggie Ball throwing to him, but that doesn't exactly fly -- Fitzgerald didn't have a great QB either. My point was that we don't know Rogers' measurables, so it's not really a great comparison.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Robert Meachem is impressive because he has alot of speed along with his size and excellent catching skills.

 

[parchy]

For what it's worth, which might not be much, I believe Todd McShay had Meachem well below those three, at least as a second rounder.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

For what it's worth, which might not be much, I believe Todd McShay had Meachem well below those three, at least as a second rounder.

 

[Jake0]

I would love a Brian Westbrook on our team. Maybe it's because I've seen him slicing through our secondary like swiss cheese for years.

He said Michael Westbrook not Brian buddy.